What is wrong with Americans ?

When is enough going to be enough ?

by catalin | 11 months ago (Fri, Jun 29, 2012 7:11pm EDT) | in Weird

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education system wrong america

I thing it will never be enough. Enough is not something America understands. The system and the people will not correct themselves, will keep going towards the edge of the cliff until they will fall over

My belief is America is the country that will take the world under one more time.

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MrJones | 11 months ago | +4
I have wondered exactly the same thing. I have never been to any of the Scandinavian countries but have had family who have lived in them and are now duel citizens with one of them. And from what I have heard they rate better on all scores for peoples well being, living standards, lower wealth disparity, general level of income, health and obviously education, they might pay high taxes, but it seems the tax is spent well and benefits the public as a whole. And it infuriates me that my country, Australia, instead of looking to countries like Sweden, they look to the US, as a graduate student it infuriates me even more; in fact Australia is worse in some ways than the US; anti intellectualism is a badge of honour.
JollyRogArrh | 11 months ago | +2
Sheesh! I was in a good mood 'till I read this....it's all downhill from here....maybe I should try my luck over in Vegas....other countries don't have Vegas
Cigarmann | 11 months ago | +2
Putting my kids through college will be the greatest financial challenge taken to date. I am starting to have doubts if the payoff will be there when they graduate. I believe the higher education system will and has to change. More focus on the field of interest is needed and concentration on practical application of the education had.
PookyBear | 11 months ago | +1
How much are american universities? my typical tuition is around 7-8K a year(not including books), i live at home and commute by bus so that eliminates allot of the cost of living else where but a general room to rent in my area is minimum 550 a month.
- lostmymarbles666 | 11 months ago | +1
  depends on the school it go upwards of 100k a year
  - BeCool | 11 months ago | +1
    It's very rare to get 100K a year, only if you are Graduate student at the most prestigious school, will it be 100K a year or more. Accredited University can cost as little as $10K a year. Even cheaper if you know how to work the system. ;)
    - MrJones | 11 months ago | +3
      The point is it could be free.
    - BeCool | 11 months ago | +1
      An accredited university*
digi1ante | 11 months ago | +1
Wow
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jamstermedia | 11 months ago | +1
Knowledge is power.. its going to become painfully obvious in the coming years as our children of the world take over the garbage pile we leave them ... I maybe American but before that I'm an Earthling ... It's a tiny marble we all share here..
Diabolik | 11 months ago | +1
Give a man a fish..and he eats for a day..Teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime.
coraxx | 10 months ago | +1
All four of those countries combined have a population of what? a bit over 22 million? The US has a population of over 300 million. no comparison whatsoever. this is the same thought process that makes my associates in Germany tell me that they cannot understand why all Americans do not use public transportation. the things you can do in a country the size of one of our fifty states doesn't equate to the expense or logistics of doing the same thing here.
digi1ante | 11 months ago | +3 -4
You guys are kidding right? Cuba? Canada? I have to get off this tread. I am getting stupidier from reading your misinformed comments.
- pegger | 11 months ago | +2
  Well you're half right! Thats a step forward!!
digi1ante | 11 months ago | +3 -5
labor. However, when some deviant guy like Anders Behring Breivik goes on a killing spree, I have no problem pitching in a couple of bucks to keep him locked up if not flat out executed. And your next point about military expendatures is pretty short sighted, quite arrogant and shows your lack of history education. The main reason you don't have to spend out of your tax base is because you have the strongest military in the world. The U.S. If any nation attacked Sweden or any other NATO country who do you think would be the first one in the ring? If you are having problems answering that question perhaps you should ask a Frenchman or someone from Poland. How many times has the U.S. been over to Europe in the last century to liberate it? As far as education goes, don't worry about us. We are doing fine. We have a shit bag president currently but we have figured that out. (Only took us 3 years) Stay in your free schools and study Poly Sci, Art, all that neato stuff that makes you feel good. We will continue to
- PookyBear | 11 months ago | +2 -1
  Its actually canada that liberated france in ww2...
  - PookyBear | 11 months ago | +2 -1
    well more of a conjoint effort of allied forces
digi1ante | 11 months ago | +1 -3
produce the finest doctors, researchers and engineers the world has ever seen. And you can contine to have your 30 hour work week. Good day. And if you get cancer please stay in Europe for treatment. John Hopkins medical is full.
- pegger | 11 months ago | +4
  LOL wow!! As I read what you're saying, it's even more and more apparent that your spoonfed ideology of truth is typically egocentric and American! I'd try to broaden you're intellect but you are clearly missing, and reaffirming the point of this post at the same time.
  - PookyBear | 11 months ago | +1
    I like your big words ^^
- PookyBear | 11 months ago | +2
  you do realise the best Dr's in the world are from Cuba(socialist country) and all those other professions you talk of require education in which many go to other countries to gain that education just because of how much it costs to go to university in north america. Education is free until one graduates high school, are you saying that each family now should start paying their own way for any form of education? Being educated helps people understand situations better than they normally would without it.
digi1ante | 11 months ago | +2 -5
First let me address your first point Catalin, since we are pointing a high powered microscope at America. For one, we don't make our "own people" do anything. In America if you want to pursue higher education then you can pay for it. No one is expected to pay for it for you. We have the best higher education system in the world and that is a known fact! It is not free nor will it ever be. The "Nordic" countries isn't either, but you can keep telling yourself that. If you like your tax rate thats fine. Most Americans would take up arms against the government if it stole money from it's people like Europe does from it's tax payers. As for "Unleasing" for profit schools on the public......Its called free market capitalism. It works. It's right. And if it is not screwed with it runs the free world quite nicely. No one makes students go to these schools. As for prisons over students, I'll say this.....I don't wanna pay for some kid I don't know to have a free lunch.....and get his education from the fruits of my
- catalin | 11 months ago | +4
  You should know I am from Romania, Eastern Europe, and I thought the image above was expressing a point of view worth discussing.
  
  Of course free education is not the answer for everything and might not even be the absolute right thing to do. Free or paid education should be judged as part of a larger system/philosophy. And the fact is that US is an extreme capitalistic system while the Nordic countries are extreme socialistic systems. And from there one may like one system more than the other.
  
  What you are saying is correct, noone is forcing anyone into following higher education. If you are paying all these money, that you actually don't have, without a clear plan or perspective maybe you, as a student, simply took the wrong decision.
  
  But in my opinion quality education at affordable prices is something we can all benefit from as a community. It would increase the well being for each and everyone of us. Also a quality medical system at affordable prices is something we all could benefit from
  - catalin | 11 months ago | +5
    So in theory it is a matter of one system against the other and each should choose what fits best for him/her.
    
    But in the real world that we live in, the US system is crooked. Noone opposes having a great military system and a great prison system. But from what I understand these are private owned entities and the single scope of a private entity is profit and how to increase that profit. And these 2 systems alone vehiculate an obscene amount of money. Then it is not hard to understand that people may be thrown in jail when in fact such penalty may be avoided, wars started when they could be avoided.
    
    I will just ask you one question, why do you spend a large portion of your own money, via taxes, for the military system ? You personally. Are you spending it so the US military can come save Frace and Europe ? To start unending wars in Arab countries ? Why not invest all this money into something else that could actually give you a real profit ? You may say you are spending it for the well being of the world, but I would say you are spending it to make a lot of rich people richer.
  - Floss | 8 months ago | +1
    You've missed the point completely. it's not free education....you work and the government takes 2/3 to 3/4 of your paycheck....you call that free?
    - Doberdog | 8 months ago | +1 -1
      You're taking "free" too literally. Those communities know education comes at a cost. They also know that education is such a critical investment that they are willing to share the burden for the good of the whole. Everyone knows they pay for it, but it's worth it to them.
      - Floss | 8 months ago | +1
        Thats a really dumb thing to say. How else am I supposed to interpret a word instead of its literal meaning? & it's a cultural thing developed over thousands of years...Americans weren't built on that type of culture and tend to look at 3/4 of a paycheck as stealing.
        Doberdog | 8 months ago | +1
        It's just a term guy. You know, "free healthcare", "free education"...Do you think that people that live in or believe in those societies are so dumb that they don't know that those resources have to be paid for somehow? And that they need people like you to tell them that it's not literally free?...When does it become stealing? 1/4, 1/2, 3/4? Depends on where the money goes. You probably pay some sort of taxes right? So you tell me, are you being stolen from right now, because you pay into social programs?
        Floss | 8 months ago | +1
        Purple.
        spankypants | 8 months ago | +1
        Nurple.
- pegger | 11 months ago | +1
  Actually america has never been rated anywhere near the top in quality of education, and is in fact now rated one of the poorest in first world countries. Also, there are many places in America where people are living in second and even 3rd world conditions, so if a society is judged by the quality of life it affords its citizens, then free market capitalism is not working. Your system has brought your country to a way of life where few are in the palace, and most are in the streets. Lords and beggers. I pity those with the inability to learn from history, but perhaps it's you're education system.
  - MrJones | 11 months ago | +4
    The education system as a whole may not be the best around but there are a few ivy league universities that consistently rank in the top ten in the world. The main trouble with the rankings though is how it works; its essentially driven from the US, and essentially ranks the performance of universities, and academics, not on the quality of their work but on the quantity of, for universities, academics on staff that are cited in publications, and for the academics, on the quantity of publications they make each year. Its obviously a bit more complicated, and they have things in it that are supposedly supposed to add some qualitative aspects, like the ranking of the publications (like the ranking of the journals that publications are made in), but essentially its still about volume over quality, so the bigger the university the better it generally appears to be; while staff are forced to forgo quality and pump out a heap of publications of be in danger of not having contracts renewed, which lowers the quality of work and teaching over time while making it look like the university is the best in the world.
    - pegger | 11 months ago | +5
      You're absolutely correct! And considering that because of the state of america today, those with money have the power to gauge what information is acredited, and controls most avenues of interpreting "quality" it only furthers my point! It's a system where actual freedom of growth and learning is stiffled by the agenda of politics, and thats scary. Religion held back science for a thousand years, now it's capitalisms turn!!
      - MrJones | 11 months ago | +1
        You are right on the money. Yet I think some of the other ideologies that have informed the way capitalism works has actually helped universities, all in all the economic rationalist ideology (I think they call it neo-liberal in the US, or is it noe-classical, I cant remember) currently holding sway will do nothing but continue to ruin universities, and health care, and public amenities like roads, etc.

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